Neiro IP Discussion

[frxknight]

The way I see this is the same way I saw it when I first learned about Neiro. Who is doing good. Which community is the most authentic. Where can I meet friends who will stay and help others. If I look ahead five years I see Neiro CTO still holding to its foundation of doing good through charity and other efforts. To me that is what Neiro represents. I never saw any other Neiro coin making that its foundation from the start.

If this is about pointing fingers then everyone here is to blame. Some more than others. For me the ones who will keep doing good and giving to others five years from now are with Neiro CTO. Not because they say so but because it was their purpose from the very beginning. Actions speak louder than words and too many words only go so far. Honoring someone is not the same as helping others. Both are good on their own merit but together they are even more powerful. Neiro CTO represents this unity.

Neiro CTO is here to help others and make friends while doing it. They are a kind and loving community that shows love and kindness through real action. They changed the game for memecoins by making charity a true foundation so that these coins mean more than a simple pump and dump. Whether or not Neiro CTO gets the IP I know they will still be doing good five years from now.

Standing up for good is more than building statues and taking pictures. It takes a change of heart. You must do good every day and fight the evil that tries to overcome us. I believe in Neiro CTO. I believe they changed crypto for the better for all of us. It may not look that way now but time will show.

[BROPUMPLOVESTHEDOG]

WE LOVE THE DOG! Just a bunch of average joes over here in the BROPUMP community vibing, memeing, creating, sharing , loving, and upholding the legacy of doge. We love neiro, Kabosumama , community and memes. We don’t have a lot of money but we have a lot of spirit. Let’s honor the legacy of doge through Neiro and grow a community based off of merit not money.

[Sarin]

I’m thrilled for OTD in securing the IP rights. Congratulations Guys!
Aku pake bahasa Indonesia aja, kalo ada dari kalian yang baca ini, jangan salah pilih Neiro, karena ada banyak Neiro palsu di pasaran bahkan ada yang mengklaim bahwa mereka adalah komunitas asli padahal mereka di nahkodai oleh Scammer, ngaku ngaku komunitas tapi supply di pegang oleh 1 perusahaan bahkan mencapai 70%
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padahal seharusnya kepemilikan Neiro ada di tangan sang pemiliknya Atsuko Sato
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Kalo kalian sadar, dilihat dari komunitas asli bisa liat PFP Neiro BROPUMP ( original Neiro ada tanda Bropump ) tersebar luas di X bahkan reddit dan medsos lainnya, dari situ kita bisa lihat kekuatan dari komunitas NEIRO BROPUMP ini sungguh luar biasa, bahkan supply nya tersebar rata dan tidak ada indikasi scam
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Jangan salah pilih komunitas guys!

[defido]

I admire a passion for charity. But when you get millions in donations from billionaires and make millions by deals with the largest exchanges on earth.

Then of course you can afford to do charity.

The best kind of charity is the charity without a banner. It’s the silent charity work happening all around the world by good people that no one hears about.

Charity is not a marketing tool. It’s an ideal.

Let’s not forget. All neiro projects have done some form of charity. The source of funds are vastly different. But I’m glad to see we all agree charity is good. We might just have different opinions on how to fund these initiatives.

[Broponke]

One of the cabal NEIRO think they don’t need IP blessings as they have Shiba Inu blessings and that’s enough LOL

[defido]

This is proving my point that history of the NEIRO token affects its VALUE drastically. The more ‘yeah but’ the more the devaluation happens. I made that point above, people that hold DOG should read it, as the VALUE of any token is not money, it’s mission, history and reality. What did the token do to gain it’s presence and to attract holders? Can it be called into question? Will those question cause valuation decline? You’re competing in a sea of organic meme tokens this cycle. Miggles, SKI, Keyboard CAT are just a few on BASE alone. On ETH you have several, on Solana there are a few.

[frxknight]

I admire a passion for charity. But when you get millions in donations from billionaires and make millions by deals with the largest exchanges on earth.

We can agree to disagree on how you think Neiro CTO raised the money. I was part of that effort and it was nothing short of amazing to see the community come together and raise it.

The best kind of charity is the charity without a banner. It’s the silent charity work happening all around the world by good people that no one hears about.
Charity is not a marketing tool. It’s an ideal.

Unfortunately that is not how charity works on chain. Comparing old school off chain methods to on chain efforts is like comparing apples and oranges. On chain charity requires transparency and honesty. It shows the community where the funds go and invites everyone to join in. Helping others is not done for marketing. It is done because we want to help.

If we hide our good deeds out of fear that showing them is just marketing then who really benefits from that silence? Blockchain technology is all about transparency and trust. Dismissing on chain charity as a marketing ploy can be seen as avoiding the hard work of sharing resources that could help those in need.

Neiro CTO has shown that doing continuous charity is difficult. Sticking to it and building a foundation of giving is even harder. Many projects might do it once or twice and then quit. Neiro CTO has chosen to foundationally keep doing it and that deserves recognition. On chain transactions are meant to be examined and questioned. That is what ensures accountability and that is how you know the charity and helping others is real.

[NominalDecel]

Just wanted to chime to respond to the “provenance” narrative that’s being floated.

Provenance is a critical differentiator in very specific scenarios - for example, art.

BUT, provenance in the context of assets / tech is not and should not be considered a defining quality.

For example, if provenance meant something in the context of assets or tech, everyone would be using gold to pay for all commerce transaction, we’d still be on the gold standard and we’d all be using AltaVista for search as opposed to Google.

At the end of the day, it’s 100% down to execution, operation and adoption.

Especially when it comes to leveraging and managing IP.

IP itself begins as a form of legal provenance, but once that has been secured, now it is completely down to strategy, operation and execution - what is the best way to leverage this IP? How can we bring more awareness to the IP while extracting tangible value for $DOG holders, etc.

Ultimately if the vote was to select a project, the OTD community has the responsibility to select a team that can execute on a vision and needs.

This is a pumpdotfun bro-fest.

This is real world assets and real world opportunities.

[defido]

“ This is real world assets and real world opportunities.”

DOGE is the first coin of its kind, authentic and decentralised, organic and its real world assets with distributed holders and members. Governance that’s distributed.

That is a great point, execution does matter right? And what’s looking like being the best form of execution for IP? What’s the best execution for art?

Authenticity.

Now you’re correct:

IP + authenticity = value.

IP + inauthentic = garbage.

That’s why when someone who buys a piece of art is to find themselves with a copy, the $1m asset is now worth no more than the paint brush and paint it was made with.

Example: Don’t buy a copy of the artwork and portray its authenticity, once the buyer finds out, the valuation drops drastically. Start with the original authentic piece and then find value in it.

What’s the most important thing in crypto? Messaging and optics are among the greatest, because it’s a speculation based industry. Authenticity can then be attached to optics, honesty, history, messaging, honest supply control (decentralisation), OG (first adds some value).

Want maximum value?

Find the one that is the most authentic in these (optics, honesty, history, messaging, honest supply control (decentralisation), OG (first adds some value)), then attach recognition and watch it’s value greatly improve.

Of course remember you’re attaching in the history and beliefs of DOGE, so now the decentralisation, history, honesty and the likes become incredibly more important. Pick one that shows inauthenticity in any of these, or multiples and guess what, execution will be the last of the issues.

Technical side:

Several pumpfun tokens have gone over 1B and it’s one of the most audited and safest contracts on earth. So that’s a technical + there. It also allows for a token launch to be bundled, or to chop side ways and become truly decentralised.

Governance side:

Bropump Neiro is a decentralised, autonomous community, that got 10 exchanges in a single day off its own merit, and has done partnerships with many Solana based companies and communities. It’s earned them, authentically as a community.

Execution:

Anyone can join bropump Neiro and execute anything for the community. That’s pretty similar to DOGE.

In terms of the word provenance, this means the place of origin, this can include the place of origin of the first acceptance. So maybe the FIRST token launch and the provenance of the IP makes for incredible value, then you add in AUTHENTICITY and you might find execution becomes incredibly simple.

I think you’re now seeing this authenticity argument play out and that’s the power of provenance and IP. Provenance matters, in this cycle more than it ever did before due to the cabal copies and front running.

Thank you for your comment, I am enjoying these discussions.

[NEIRO]

Hi there! Speaking on authenticity:

Why do you think the majority of the comments here are from bropump people? I don’t think it’s because OTD had it designed that way. No, this is an open forum to share your thoughts. Anybody from any of the numerous Neiro communities can come here to speak their mind and build upon the truth.

So where are the droves of allegedly dedicated supporters from the other Neiro communities sharing how much they care about the Dogs, Authenticity, IP and Provenance? Supporting each other and liking posts? I thought everyone was saying that the bropump community was a lost cause and goes against everything good, but evidentially not. Now it is demonstrably clear who has been taking these things seriously all along.

I find this to be a fascinating development.
From the bottom of my heart, I have to thank Own The Doge for providing us this platform to prove our authenticity. It is certainly cathartic after the past 5 months of uncertainty and suppression.

By the way, it is quite disrespectful to OTD and DOGE to say that provenance doesn’t matter in this context, because they sure happen to think it does. They are living examples of why it does.

So tell me, what do we make of all of this now?

Thanks for being here and sharing!

. orb °

[Solmatch12]

Thank you for that statement brother! We see you!! #bropump!!

[NEIRO]

This resilient community is our greatest
and most authentic asset. #bropump

[defido]

In that case, NEIRO ETH has done charity transparently as well. As they too have given money away that is sizeable. (Congrats to them). If anything NEIRO ETH was more transparent than the NEIRO CTO as we at least know EXACTLY how they funded the donations. With NEIRO CTO, we just know.

If we go by that argument, it seems the donations for charity on ETH by both NEIROs were for transparency and not for marketing. If that is the case, good for you both, how you funded that charity is in question, but that’s ok, it’s transparent.

Thank you for your answer!

[NominalDecel]

Appreciate the thoughtful responses.

I don’t disagree with any of your points necessarily, but it’s in the context of this specific scenario that I’m sticking to my original argument.

I think we both can agree that provenance is critical in certain situations - especially when it comes to art or IP, as it’s a way of quantifying authenticity (per your point).

But in this case, we’re in a situation where OTD’s IP acts as the asset of provenance / value proposition.

Now, remember - it’s important to take a very specific viewpoint in all of this and that is the OTD community’s viewpoint and perspective.

From their perspective, the objective here is to find the best way of leveraging / best vehicle to leverage the IP to benefit $DOG holders as well as the beneficiaries of the IP (Kabosumama).

In light of this, if the $DOG community chooses to go with a vehicle to leverage the IP, the “provenance” of that vehicle becomes secondary. The priority requisite will be to identify a team that has the resources and operational expertise to help leverage the IP in an effective way as so it will ultimately benefit all involved - but specifically $DOG holders and beneficiaries (Kabosumama).

As great as storytelling is, ultimately it’s going to be real world partnerships and real world achievements (ideally measured against agreed KPIs) that should be determining characteristics.

In conclusion, it would be the team that can provide a tangible and concrete strategy and action plan that should be “awarded” the conservatorship of the IP.

My two cents.

[neirosol]

Well the one coin that was influencer based that Own The Doge did engage with on socials was Kabosu on ETH and look how that turned out. No posts on socials for months, just a complete PND from insider influencers. No doubt OTD was tricked into believing these guys were here to stay or hang around. But what people must understand here is… if you dont buy your own tokens and work hard for your bags, they have no attachment to you. You didn’t earn them, so you happily sell them and leave.

The thing about airdrop tokens, influencer based coins it all turns out the same, once the core group leaves you are left with 0 community to carry on the coin. With tokens everyone purchased supply fairly, and everyone has just as much say on the coin 100% community owned… you always have members who will step up when others leave.

The last influencer based coin that was engaged with, lessons in this.

The funny thing here is, look who is following this and posting about the coin, and its the same people posting about the cabal eth

version of Neiro.

If you haven’t learnt that engaging with Influencer based tokens is a bad idea after that.

Kabosu (@kabosucoin_erc) on X

[defido]

Before I answer your reply, can you say which NEIRO you’re representing?

The TLDR from what I gathered is that you’re saying, choose the best team, not the best community, as the best team will execute best. That’s almost the entire opposite of how DOGE works/worked and as anyone can join Neiro Bropump, without much issue, the best people could join at anytime.

The best ‘teams’ also are associated with the most rugs, even the best teams can have their token goto 0, communities are generally more reliable, safer and resilient based off history.

Hawk Tuah had a great team btw.

[NominalDecel]

Not really speaking on behalf / representing a specific “NEIRO” community. Just chiming in to provide advice for the OTD community / speaking from the OTD community’s perspective since my day job involves managing / engaging with IPs.

[NominalDecel]

That’s a narrow view.

You have realize that this acquisition of IP is a legally binding for profit agreement. As with the acquisition of the original DOGE meme, it’s not entirely about the “Decentralize the world” ethos.

At the end of the day, it’s a business and this proposal is a business proposal - but obviously it needs to be tangible / sustainable proposal.

[defido]

Well thank you for your comment, but NEIRO BroPump is a decentralised and distributed CTO of which anyone can join, the best people can and will join when they want to, this is resilient and impactful. As even though it’s the lowest MC, by the comments in here and on X, it’s the largest organic community. Which has made it incredibly interesting to see. It’s almost very similar to DOGE, very resilient, resilience is value, execution is just planning, anyone can plan and execute, to build global resilience is something else, you can’t buy it or fake it.

Thanks again!