Neiro IP Proposal

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First of all thanks for everyone participating in this and all the suggestions.

I just wanted to weigh in on what both decision of the 2 Neiro communities have to offer and what potential drawbacks there are.

Starting with NeiroWoof / Bropump:

It is nice to see the major participation of their community in the entire process and their activity on twitter. The partnership with them would bring also more attention to DOG on twitter and could be benificial. But also social media attention does not directly translate 1:1 to the token being up otherwise Bropump would not trade at 5M market cap right now.
The building of the charity app would be really great to make it easier to do donations and track all the donations that have been made.
Regarding the 7% supply that would be transferred to the OTD treasury this would be a huge gamble as this is tied to the project suddenly performing really well after the IP aquisition. But the problem is that nothing yet hints at an IP being anything the market values right now. The best example is OTD itself where we own the DOGE IP yet this did not do anything in terms of attracting new community members or just buyers for the DOG token (in fact we went straight downhill from there). Also this would do nothing for existing DOG holders as the tokens are just transferred to the OTD treasury.

Now my view on the NeiroCTO proposal:
Of course it is hard to compete with them from a monetary standpoint as they are just the bigger project with way more money. That’s why they also already bought almost 1% of the supply to take a part in the vote on the IP rights. In my opinion this is nothing that shoud be frowned upon it is just how crypto and the DAO governance structure works (happened back in Defi season 2020 many times). Also they would buy an additional 2% of the supply until 30th June 2026 which all would be locked. This buying would support existing DOG holders directly. IMO this is the safer choice as it would have a direct impact on people holding DOG and is not such a humongous gamble as the 7% supply of Bropump.
The revenue sharing with OTD and Atsuko also seems really great like this also the team gets value added from them.
The marketing connections could also be possibly huge as the team is way better connected in the crypto industry and maybe they could even help us to get a cex listing (like they themself dig) which is desperately needed for DOG right now to attract more people to join the community.

My conclusion is that we should choose 2. NeiroCTO as this is the way safer alternative that gives more value to DOG holders, which have been neglected way too many times and just received answers like “who cares about token price”. The token price is actually important as this attracts new people to the community and helps to grow it massively better than any partnerships based on social media attention (which is also limited for Bropump) could do. And when people join the community we can lead them on the DOGE way.

Hope this did not upset anyone too much.

Thanks for reading.

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Also to add NeiroCTO is more ETH aligned with an ETH centric community that is also more the case for OTD so it makes the integration of both communities way easier.

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The argument might hold weight if NeiroCTO had grown through the collective buying power of a real investor community. Unfortunately, that’s not the case; the token’s total circulating supply is controlled by a handful of individuals, and its fate is already sealed. It will inevitably face a massive dump and abandonment, something we’ve seen countless times before. Moreover, if you look around, the broader crypto community has labeled NeiroCTO as a ‘scam,’ which means no one will buy it again, no matter how it’s framed.

On the other hand, Neirowoof has the support of the crypto community, which has shown willingness to buy into the project. This has been demonstrated repeatedly, offering far greater growth potential. If $DOG’s success depends on a meager purchase contribution from an entity disliked by the crypto space, it’s a serious misstep. In fact, such a move could lead to the devaluation of $DOG.
That’s my opinion

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Yes, I fully support this. No takeovers.

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IDK how you came to the conclusion that the supply is so bundled. Because of the Binance listing the majority is in their Hot wallet of course the rest of the % of supply owned looks fine to me. Also regarding abandonment the Bropump chart looks more abandoned than the NeiroCTO chart. Also if so many from the crypto community support Bropump why are they not buying it (because you mentioned willingness to buy into it).

The cabal scam etc. just seems like weak arguments to me.

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No serious project has 70% of its circulating supply on Binance. You can see something here x.com

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The fact is that NeiroCTO, when it was still unclear who was behind it, absorbed all the buyers interested in Neiro. Then, during a market-wide downturn that affected all cryptos (including Neirowoof), things cooled off. But now, as it becomes clear that Neirowoof is, and always has been, the only project free of manipulation, the tide is turning. In the next cycle, it will be Neirowoof attracting the interest of serious buyers. Moreover, in my opinion, if Neirowoof doesn’t succeed, no other Neiro project will either, because the crypto community has already labeled them as ‘scams,’ and that perception won’t change.

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Here is the bubblemaps of NeiroCTO left and Bropump on the right (exchange wallets excluded) don’t see much of a difference here

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of course it sucked all the buyers from the other Neiros because it got the cex listing

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also you know what else was labelled as scam by the entire crypto space XRP and see where it is and where all the other shitcoins are. Lesson in there

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As there are questions about the lack of organic growth with cto, and a lack of growth and effectiveness with both lately, I am leaning towards do nothing. I have been along for the OTD ride since the beginning, and while I do know that being open and inviting is part of who we are, at this point attaching ourselves so strongly to another community (both of which are relatively very new) seems like a wildcard that we are risking attaching to the OTD brand.

Launching another token dilutes ourselves and our efforts, and makes an adversary out of the two communities we’re currently courting. I believe this is totally out of the question at this stage of OTD development.

I’m open to being convinced otherwise but in my understanding of governance it is better to pass nothing than to pass something that is sub-optimal.

Doge is the original. There will never be another.

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There’s none so deaf as those who will not hear…

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Your point of view is respectable, and I partly agree with it. Indeed, Neiro is a new meme that has little to do with $DOGE, but it could become the $DOGE of a new generation of crypto investors who couldn’t participate before. The fact is that $DOG is not a meme, so there wouldn’t be any interference, only potential gains. I just invite you to “study” the Neirowoof community, join our Telegram, and follow us for a while (if you haven’t already).

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Thank you for the response and welcome. Why do you consider DOG not a meme? It is the tokenization of the DOGE meme on the blockchain.

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Tbh. The arguments don’t just come from a single source. They come from many and are shared broadly on X.

Many know the Binance listing spree was them taking up most of the supply of the tokens to do so. $ACT was another that had over 50% on Binance.

Which is why Coinbase listed Moodeng sol without needing all the supply and Binance didn’t. Simply was and is how Binance has operated. BOME didn’t seem to change their policies.

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Just because one got most of its supply taken over for a deal with Binance doesn’t guarantee the success of another.

A reminder that Neiro ETH is also on bybit (the fastest growing exchange in Asia and Middle East). It hasn’t helped. Also on many other T1. Not sure why people think T1 is overly bullish these days.

Decentralisation is the future, LP pools onchain, base is proving this, Solana is proving this. The power is in getting people onchain to put their faith and liquidity into your project.

Given how much money the dao has they could make their own deal. Binance takes money. Or it takes huge MC weight, or they take all the supply. More than 50%. An L1 or utility deal for Binance is usually between 17-20%. Nor does centralisation guarantee their success. You quoted XRP. It was their community and long term vision that guaranteed their success.

Popcat, wif and bonk weren’t on Binance at billions. Yet neiro CTO went on at $12m. That wasn’t free. It was immense supply payment and agreement that Binance would run it. But seemingly after doing a bunch of marketing at the start. Binance has stopped even promoting it. When neiro eth was on bybit, the volume ran through their internal market maker was insane “more than btc” this looked like another exchange might best Binance, so they put that Neiro eth on perps and the other on spot, effectively neutering the project and pumping the other. But now that pump has been completely wiped out, tens of millions made.

You would be better off aligning with decentralisation and trying to target US based exchanges. If you’d like the Asian market. There are a dime a dozen Asian focused exchanges.

Just have to remind ourselves how MOG, SPX and a few others did the same as Popcat, Wif etc all onchain.

The dog Dao made a deal with wintermute. They didn’t need any connections to do that, you already have an extensive reserve that can do these kinds of deals anyway.

In regards to the 7%. Yes it’s a bet on long term decentralisation growth.

In regards to ETH. I understand many are ETH aligned but if you put aside chain bias, pudgy penguins launched on Solana for the very reason that being chain aligned is not project healthy. Pudgy penguins is a project that knew the potential upside and positioned wisely.

There are also 2 Neiro on eth sharing tickers on exchanges and that battle will continue on.

Diversification is decentralisation and de-risk management and Solana just has more liquidity and growth at this time. Or base. I like miggles on base and a few others. You need multiple chains for the billions to come onchain. Staying chain biased is not actually good for any project.

If we’re all about “decentralisation” then as holders and projects we should be thinking about what’s best for those two first. The chain politics is something best left for engineers.

The Neiro bropump chart flies whenever there is clarity. Clarity on IP would essentially rocket it. But solana generally has the power onchain to send a token to billions as does ETH without exchanges. To be a truly global mega token you need cex to buy in, for normies to buy in. For everyone to win.

In any case. If chain alignement is an issue. The beauty is bridging happens in an instant and cross chain trading apps like Slingshot where you can trade ETH projects, base and Solana in one app are the next big thing. But being on the fastest growing chain and allowing dog to be both base, Solana and ETH aligned will be a good thing. We need all these competitive chains otherwise there’s no progress in crypto. The global market can’t survive on a single chain alone.

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Thank you for sharing your proposal and I am supporting option 2. I understand that you are emphasizing a few key points that I believe will significantly benefit DOG token holders. Here’s a summary of:

  1. Direct Support for Kabosumama and DOG Token Holders: By purchasing DOG tokens and holding them in a multisig wallet, Neiro will be incentivized to collaborate more effectively with DOG token holders, creating mutual benefits for both tokens. This direct investment shows commitment and aligns with the interests of DOG holders.
  2. Additional Revenue Share: Neiro’s marketing reach and its partnership potential, especially with official Neiro IP and merchandise, will provide additional revenue opportunities for DOG holders. This is an important value proposition that you believe will further benefit the OTD holders.
  3. Trust in Neiro’s Execution: The actions taken by the Neiro CTO team, such as setting up the multisig, community donation initiatives, and the ongoing discussions around IP, demonstrate their capability and dedication. This is not speculative, but a tangible commitment to lock DOG tokens and secure value for DOG holders. Their proven track record of execution adds confidence in this collaboration.

The feedback reinforces the potential value and opportunities this partnership brings, and it’s clear that you’re optimistic about the positive outcomes for both communities.

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全ての犬に感謝します。Atsukoさん from Japan

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It’s interesting that your project has been seemingly left out (Neiro ETH) due to what it did at the beginning, but Neiro “CTO” did the same and much more, but just denies it at every turn, remember when they were super “Anti cabal”, “the people against the cabal!”, whilst accusing your token of doing everything that they do themselves, yet is seen as the ‘good guy’ because they did a massive marketing push on ‘donations’, yet your token also donated to charity for marketing. There were a ton of our memes copied and slogans, but everyone taken from us at some point.

Really interesting to see… To think your token was more transparent about the paid KOLs, inorganic supply control, uneven whale holdings, pumped charts, bot use etc, is ironic tbh. Don’t think you ever claimed your listings were ‘free’ when they clearly weren’t, or that you got every market maker, one after the other ‘free’, which actually made you more transparent…

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Like I said , to the highest bidder.

You can all think what you want and continue to fud everyone but yourselves …. It’s laughable.

OTD and IP now is clear. Highest bidder will win with no consideration for what really matters.

Keep attacking, I have thick skin. Doesn’t change the fact that this has become a highest bidder joke now. IP is devalued and will be impossible to recover from.

All the best, to everyone. Play nicer ……