Neiro IP Proposal

Ok, that’s right it was before Binance, but still you need addresses/txs to confirm. That first image no one was able to reproduce it, not even RugMunch, that looks a CEX (Gateio I would guess, from v1), if you notice, first image looks worst than third image despite third image being earlier (10th September) than third image (5th September) as it should have been worse, clearly it indicates RugMunch had enabled something beyond “Magic nodes” which is a dangerous feature as it requires even more manual confirmation effort…

For the second image main cluster was Uniswap V3LP, a bubblemap is never enough, manual confirmation is a must as Ocelot said.

About GGs I was referring to his other tokens, he started with Neiro, then TBull, which was great but then he started adding lower quality projects. In fact, he kept supporting only these two: Neiro and TBull, not the others anymore.

For the S_pcptree mention, well … I also said what you see in the next image below, and I was also raided by yours, I am neutral after all, my mission was fight the cabal (NeiroOnEthereum), not to side with any Neiro, I am happy with anything else. you fought, it was great, they fought, it was great, that’s all.

Some context of my post back then: It came after they hired a Korean PR for marketing for 1 year for 60k USDT, which is very little (yet reasonable) for a 1b project then, when the scamfluencers I research always get 40k+ per head per project amounting to 6-7 figures extracted per project.I was impressed to see the initiative of neiroethcto, it was being organized better than the cabal, they were getting to lawyers , to be compliant, to go to Base, etc. had brilliant ideas, for donations, for marketing, etc. which not even the cabal did despite their funds, cabal limited itself to copy every step of neiroethcto, I complained about this multiple times: donating to the same charity AFTER Vitalik gave positive feedback to neiroethcto, taking the same procedure to onboard to BASE, they copied the statue idea from NeiroWoof with a plastic statue, etc.

This was the context of my post:

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@melardev I don’t think anyone has 100% concrete evidence to prove anything. Perhaps they do.

However, there is a overwhelming amount of information that suggests neiro cto is corrupted:

  1. Bubble maps
  2. Peculiar low MC binance listing
  3. Weak/community presence for the mcap (suggests that large supply is held by few)
  4. Many many wallets buying thousands of $ of Neiro bropump and dumping at loss to suppress the chart. (Who else would deliberately have an incentive to lose $ except neiro cto to suppress another coin)
  5. Mass buying DOG coin to manipulate voting.

If something suggests that it stinks in many ways, then it probably does.

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We let it there, tbh I am tired of all these neiro fights myself, I won’t reply to anything that is speculation. Clear addresses/txs or I pass, I documented NeiroOnEthereum cabal with addresses, txs and even associating them with kols on X, that’s the only way, we can all suspect anything, without evidence, it means nothing.

About that image, If you buy tokens, and sell the same amount of tokens, especially when the size isn’t enormous it leans to delta neutral, if they could influence charts, they would have influenced theirs or NeiroOnEthereum’s chart when they were competing with them.

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Hey there! Didn’t read your reply in time, but @defido stepped in fortunately. I’m not gonna explain to you how mass selling at a loss leads to a loss, or that dumping on a low MC chart is way more effective than on a high MC one.

You defended GGInvestments and NeiroCTO when there’s 100 suspect or straight up proven things that you will not even recognize.

In any case, it’s clear that even without any contribution of NeiroWoof, the image of Binance Neiro isn’t repairable. They couldn’t get any community recognition as far as I’m concerned.

How such a low engagement token can still run to 1.3B is a big red flag to everybody.

Thanks for your contributions in exposing NeiroOnEth, but let’s keep all of retail safe in the future. That’s what NeiroWoof will fight and educate for :facepunch:t3::fuelpump:

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Thanks for the response.

The reply that was “hidden” is even more damning of Neiro “cto”. As bubble maps went hard on two cabal Neiro projects. But seemingly they now “don’t have the time and would take hours to research” your project. Why? Because of $50,000?

Seems unprofessional and biased. At the same time calling the project a “bundle” and likely linked to a “rep” at Binance whilst seeing the attached wallets linked and doing nothing because of some cash is not how that should function.

Tbh. The reply is worse.

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Love the puppet! You’re right. Support real community tokens.

Thank you for yours and congrats on the recognition from Atsuko!

You’re right the IP debate stirred up a lot of mess. Yet the Neiro BroPump community remains active and ready to support the Atsuko aligned projects by remaining without any evidence of unfair, uneven and inorganic intent purely to “win”. Just people and not cutting corners.

In the end i think that’s how the world will see Neiro. As the pure community meme token that stuck to clear moral guidelines and set an example.

Thanks!

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Hey there! If you’re an OG $DOG holder, you might still wondering:

"These Bropumpers sure are passionate, but how do I know if that proposal will actually turn into something bigger and profit Atsuko and the $DOG community?

Let’s be real, doing good is a rare property in this space. Yes, you do see great cults emerging and they can embrace a lifestyle - we do the same, we spread love and understanding, and try to reflect the smiling energy of this Shib called Neiro :paw_prints::dog:

But what you don’t see is people putting sharing over profits.
We’ve come to a point where we built a family. Those who came just for profit either became part of the family, or they left.
We remind ourselves that greed is everywhere, so instead we should stay grounded and build this save haven together!

Have you ever seen a community raise seven percent of the shares? I haven’t. My jaw dropped and I’ve been with the bros since day two.

I like to see us as having more of a new-gen identity. $DOG and $Doge are absolute no-brainers to hold as they share and attract positivity, charity, fun and groundedness in my opinion.

We on the other hand have our way with virality in ways similar to how the GME movement understood it.
But more importantly, this family learned to survive in a tough environment and is now equipped to reach out a paw to those who come to the memecoin space and instantly run into traps.
Onboarding is incredibly easy with our narrative - “Have you heard of Doge? This is her sister, Neiro!” - and so we will be a beacon of decentralization like no other community.

Our biggest fundamental is that we are defending the health of this ecosystem and the legacy of Doge with a big smile! We want to show that giving back is possible in this space :paw_prints::gem: to us it’s all fait: our bropump CA, the beautiful retracements our chart has been through, this IP…

If you still don’t see how that’s gonna attract degens and normies alike…just look at her!

100 million $ MC → 7M for OTD and Atsuko → “bro…imagine how hilarious and impactful this would be at 100B MC” → BOOM :chart: → more exposure for $DOG :dog: AND $NeiroWoof :facepunch:t3::fuelpump: → more frens!

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Hi

“How can NEIRO ‘CTO’ be considered decentralized and risk-free when 70% of its supply is held by a centralized intermediary like Binance?”

Where do you see Binance “owning” 70% of the supply?

“Some might argue that these tokens technically belong to the clients, not the exchange.”

Yes, that’s exactly right. Thousands of clients hold their share of the supply in one large public Binance wallet. This is how centralized exchanges work: they provide high liquidity, low fees, and attract buyers, unlike on-chain transactions, which often come with higher fees.

This is standard practice across major exchanges because it facilitates liquidity and user access, helping tokens grow and reach a broader audience while minimizing the costs and barriers of on-chain transactions. This centralization is not inherently negative; it’s simply an element of a healthy ecosystem that coexists with decentralization.

Let’s not forget that Neiro wasn’t added to Binance at launch. The token was first launched on a decentralized exchange. As Neiro gained traction, it was listed on Binance and many other centralized exchanges, giving it exposure to a much larger user base. Naturally, this led to increased demand, and as a result, more tokens are now held on exchanges. That’s why a significant portion of the supply is held on Binance. It reflects the growth of the community and the token’s success across multiple platforms.

“Not your keys, not your tokens.”

That’s a great saying, but it doesn’t quite apply here in the way you might think. “Not your keys, not your tokens” implies that if you don’t control the keys to your tokens, there’s a risk the custodian (like an exchange) could freeze or steal your funds. However, when tokens are held on an exchange, they’re still the property of the users, just under the exchange’s custody. It’s not like the exchange is “owning” the tokens; they’re holding them on behalf of the users.

Think of it like a bank account. Your money is in your account at the bank, but the bank is the intermediary. It’s your money, but the bank manages the storage. Would it make sense for someone to argue that your money isn’t yours just because it’s in the bank’s system? “Not your keys, not your funds” doesn’t quite fit this analogy, does it?

“So, when a memecoin has the majority of its supply controlled by a centralized intermediary, isn’t it exposing itself to the same systemic risks?”

Are you suggesting that tokens on Binance aren’t owned by its customers? Binance holds these tokens in trust for its users, not as Binance’s “own” assets.

“For example, if the exchange collapses like FTX, 70% of the token supply could vanish overnight—a risk too significant to ignore.”

That’s a concern, but it’s important to look at the bigger picture. While any exchange collapse is a risk, there are just as many, if not more, risks when holding tokens on-chain. Your wallet could be compromised, you could fall victim to phishing, honeypots, or rug pulls, or your private keys could be lost. These risks are much more common than the possibility of Binance collapsing. And remember, Binance is a leading exchange with top-notch security, proof of reserves, and a huge user base, it’s not the same risk profile as FTX.

Ultimately, the decision to hold tokens on a CEX or on-chain is a personal one. Both have their pros and cons. But why focus on something that isn’t a risk to you directly? Is your concern about Binance, or are you a Neiro CTO holder yourself?

Decentralization can happen in many ways, and it’s a process. As Neiro grows, more holders will start to move their tokens off exchanges and into personal wallets. But don’t forget, you’re on Solana. Transactions are fast and inexpensive compared to Ethereum, which helps make on-chain activity more accessible. This is also why people might prefer CEX over DEX when it comes to Ethereum tokens.

We are committed to a balanced approach where both centralized and decentralized elements can coexist.

Let me remind everyone:

Somehow, these discussions about the Neiro IP always seem to go off-topic.

You advocate for decentralization, yet you’re trying to limit voting rights within the DAO. A DAO (Decentralized Autonomous Organization) is meant to be open and decentralized, welcoming participation from anyone with the $DOG token. If we limit that participation, it ceases to be a DAO and becomes a CDO (Centralized Dictatorship Organization). Is that the goal here?

A DAO should be built on openness and inclusivity, where all token holders, regardless of their size, have a voice. Restricting access or voting rights undermines the core principle of decentralization.

Let’s make sure we stay focused on the main discussions and avoid diverting into unrelated topics. Our aim here is to advance the project through productive, solution-oriented conversations.

Keep it clean. Anything that isn’t about expanding the offerings or contributing to the conversation should be left out of these threads.

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Basically, you’re spamming in both conversations with the same FUD, CTO is the devil, bubblemaps, Binance, blah blah blah. This has been addressed time and time again, but you keep repeating the same lies. People are tired of responding to the same nonsense. Melardev just pointed this out a few posts above. It’s like teaching a small child that 2+2 equals 4, and they keep insisting it’s 5. You’re clearly interested in spreading this FUD, and no matter how much it’s disproven, you’ll continue doing it.

IMO, all you’re demonstrating with this is your lack of values and arguments. You’re more focused on spreading lies about CTO than creating something of your own. This conversation is about the proposals for the IP, and yet you’ve gone back to the same thing as always, bubblemaps and Binance.

As for the community you’re so proud of, I always see the same “four” people, sending lots of messages, sure, but essentially saying nothing and always repeating the same lies. This isn’t about quantity, it’s about quality and, above all, FACTS.

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I’d like everyone to imagine they own a business and had to honestly choose between the different options proposed, based on the information in the post and the current state of the projects/companies:

Option 1: This is a company 20 times smaller, according to the data in the post. They offer community support and 7% of their tokens. My question is, why didn’t they raise this amount of money first to try to grow their project? In six months, they haven’t been able to grow and have only raised a few tens of thousands of dollars, but now they “promise” to deliver several hundred thousand. That 7% is worth around $160k.

Option 2: This is a company 7 times larger and well-established. They’ve already purchased 1% of the company and will continue buying another 1% each year. They offer direct profit sharing from commercial revenue, contributions for Doge Day, and marketing support. This company is bigger, financially stronger, and capable of helping us grow. Moreover, they’ve already started doing what they promised even before the agreement, having purchased around $500k of our business.

Option 3: Starting a business from scratch is complicated. We’d have full control, but it would be costly in terms of time and money, especially when there are already established companies in the market.

Option 4: Why choose this option if we can benefit from an agreement?

If everyone is honest and thinks about the best interests of “our business,” the best option is quite obvious. CTO has made a professional, long-term proposal that seeks mutual benefit for both projects. It focuses on the growth of both projects/communities, direct support and financial benefits for OTD and Atsuko, and support for an important event like Doge Day. All of this shows that the vision and values of both projects and communities are aligned, and together, we can achieve great things.

I’m looking forward to working together OTD :heart_hands:

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Good evening,

Firstly, huge thanks for creating this fantastic opportunity to shine a light on the charitable fundamentals of The OTD and Neiro Communities via the Neiro IP Licence.

I will be voting for NeiroCTO, having been an active community member there since the second week of its inception.
I have been very impressed with the charity focused, transparent, organised and professional approach taken by the CTO lead team since the outset. The token contract and distribution was audited as initial priorities, and a multisig was set up in the early days. Many of us contributed to the multisig wallet, and the vision from the start was clear: Do Only Good Everyday. Charity events were encouraged, charity donations started immediately, and this important work continues to this day.

The ethos and culture of the community is the best i have been in. The TG chat is a really fun, light hearted place to be, the English and Chinese leads are extremely hard working & supportive, and they act with dignity and grace at all times, even in adversity. We focus only on ourselves and what we need to build next. Token price discussions are politely discouraged.

The Neiro CTO team already has a proven track record for getting things done, quickly, and in an orderly fashion. They have registered as a legal entity, set up a charitable foundation, made connections with and gained listings on most CEX,
made mutually beneficial industry partnerships, built an NFT collection, and now started to implement their marketing strategy. I have no doubt that they possess the neccessary business acumen and contacts to maximise positive impact with the Neiro IP.

I am extremely impressed and proud of what has been achieved so far, and in such a short space of time, and really excited as to what we could yet achieve together with OTD. Together we can supercharge adoption of the Do Only Good Everyday mantra to the world. :yellow_heart:

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Actually 7% is $280,000 right now and $24.5m at your mc. Enough to fund about 10+ years of dogs expenses and still have millions left to support promoting neiro at the same time.

Usually when talking about acquiring a business or something else. The most expensive option generally won’t have the most upside. There’s a 100x in Neiro ETH? That’s only $400m for Neiro BroPump. 1000x? That’s $4B. Wif did it? Why wouldn’t Neiro? Super bullish narrative and only Shiba token on Solana.

Lowest mc? Highest risk? Yes? Highest reward, yes. Plenty of businesses buy other businesses and they turn out not to be successful. The choice is. Pick the one that has a T1 or not. Back already had its upside. Or back the one that has all the potential for huge upside? That’s the gamble.

And they’ll know that Atsuko/DOG community is the largest holder whilst also knowing that one single entity won’t own 50%+ of supply and could pull it at anytime. What would the dog community do in a bear market where that supply would bleed endlessly?

You’re offering revenue? What revenue? So where’s the revenue? And then what? You’ll license Neiro? To who? No one knows who she is yet. And then what? License neiro the dog or the drawing of her that your token is? You’re going to scale revenue in less than 11 months to profitable? What? How? With what product? It’s a meme and speculation cycle.

Whilst allowing dog holders the lowest buy in and the largest upside.

It’s Solana. 1B+ purely on Dex is easy for it. Multiple projects this month in Solana did over 1B, not 1, multiples of projects did. And there’s so much liquidity that’s not even focused yet. Meaning the mc’s on some Solana projects have never hit that “shib” level yet.

The thing is the DOG community can utilise those funds to grow Neiro to further benefit their DAO and mission as Neiro is a new bullish token with huge upside. Or they can become believers and have Neiro be the biggest token ever on Solana like we think it will do. The OG, the movement based Neiro, the Bulliever Neiro, the most participating and active Neiro community. Our IRL and marketing? All free. People believe and participate. We spend $0. Why are we so attractive to other community tokens and normies than? Must be something going on.

We see it as a “let’s do it together”. DOG community needs some bullievers. Neiro BroPump has always sought recognition from Atsuko and connection with genuine community organic projects of believers. Win/win.

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The upside is insane and our energy is contagious :heart_on_fire: and the chart showed a sneak peak of that upside already if one wanted to verify.

I also don’t understand where this notion comes from that we’d act like a company and would collect for marketing.
We’ve actually collected it for making and delivering a bronze statue that we didn’t really market. What it did do was get people excited!

And that’s the fuel of the kinds of cultish memecoins that outperform everything rn! (just look at SPX or Giga…I mean damn!)


:facepunch:t3::fuelpump:

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I appreciate the optimism and belief here, but it’s not right to try and sell us the opportunity based on what you think will happen to the price.

Your community has incredible energy and you’re directing it into what you believe to be honest and true.

I still want to bring your community under Atsuko’s umbrella with an airdrop. I hope we can work something out amicably after the vote.

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I agree. I believe the proposal from Neiro (0x812Ba41e071C7b7fA4EBcFB62dF5F45f6fA853Ee) will bring significant benefits to Atsuko-san.

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None of us know what will happen on price. As it is a believers speculation market cycle. I just believe that’s the right play. To Bullieve delusionally. I mean we all believe our tokens will go up as well, right? Doge to $10 anyone?

From that metric you could take a deal with Neiro on ETH and the token could tank. You could take a deal with Neiro BroPump and it could go no where.

That’s the gamble. Which is why usually you’d bet on community and organics. Delusional belief and what you can build/believe in.

There’s some pretty heavy hitters who back dog, their buy in would cause quite a lot of fomo, it’s also cheap and supply is distributed into the delusional disorganised. Then there’s the “damn the community won, bullish” side and the fact things move fast on Solana. To think the chart wouldn’t send to me would be a low %. To me it absolutely would. But that’s us thinking that.

Speculation is the game.

If the better deal is cash in hand. Well then it’s prior market sentiment that will then be whether the money was worth it or not. :+1:

Given the market dynamics and what we all know to be true in regards to both tokens pitching here. Neiro BroPump will be fine either way. Its mission and what we’ve been saying will likely be amplified as what we said was true came true, again.

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Dreaming is free, but sometimes the line between a dreamer and a fool is too thin.

Reading your message, I realise how easy it is to write and talk about figures. What I think you don’t realise is how hard it is to actually achieve everything you’re talking about. I believe you’re being very naive. The first challenge is to gather that 7% from the community, saying it is easy, but actually getting the community to raise that amount of money is a completely different story. You talk about potential growth, but why haven’t you achieved any growth in the past six months? Why would it suddenly happen now? Beyond the 7%, you would need much more to grow and deliver on the promises you’ve made.

IMO, nothing you’re saying holds up. It’s all speculation with no real foundation, and honestly, if I were OTD, reading this would make me doubt your proposal entirely. Sometimes it’s better to keep your feet on the ground than to try to sell 100x or 1000x dreams as you’re doing. For me, you’d be completely out of the running.

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Well to be fair, the token you’re supporting did go from $1.3B (only via extreme inorganic pumps) to $230m and shows no signs of a hard reversal back up, those hard pumps aren’t coming back as fast now (maybe they will?). So there’s absolutely nothing to say it never will, or it will either.

With all the hype and the spend on marketing you think you’d have a 100x community size?

We have grown a lot, with most of the community tokens have backed our project publicly and privately, even some associated with Atsuko, just not in the metric you’re referencing, MC, in fact when this discussion is over and if your token wins because you were able to buy a vote, OTD loses practically the majority of the largest community participation it’s seen in years as well as most of the voices on X.

You track MC, we track community, and considering we’re at a much lower MC, and your token has spent millions on marketing and given away tens of millions of dollars in it’s value to CEX to promote itself, it’s social presence and community participation are far lower. You wonder has the ROI been all that worth it. Considering Neiro bropump has spent $0, you’d almost be a little worried if we did start to spend on marketing, if our token attracts holders without any spend, it would likely completely dominate with the same marketing spend.

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Overall agree with this take. Both have their merits but we definitely gotta consider what’s the best offer both for Doge/Neiro images and for dog as a token.
I like how vibrant brompump community is but I am not sure it’s enough and the risk is to all drift down together instead of supporting each other

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You can check my post on X.

I did a deep dive into Neiro CTO account holders.

As far as transactions go, good luck! A lot of wallets can use Tornado Cash to mask transactions since Neiro is an ERC-20 token.

I thought it was peculiar when I saw wallets with $100k in them, and the next day less than $1k? No transaction history.

I had to look it up and it led me to Tornado Cash. Supports Ethereum and any ERC-20 token.

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