I’m not fond of getting gaslit, brother.
Again, it’s fine to point out truths or people doing wrong. I am the same way, and if you look at my x I have been the same since the beginning.
It’s when you(generalized) spread half truths, or misconstrue something to look negative and use it maliciously is where there is a problem.
I find this discussion counter productive to what I am trying to accomplish with Neiro which is why I don’t respond to many people
Then ignore the “half truths” which still have the word truth in them and trust in the intelligence of the holder. Calling everything people say “fud” serves little purpose. And in that case. Simply ignore it and let the people that will care to know do their own research.
As I said. If it’s not true. Why does it matter anyway? Simply ignore it. We get fudded all the time. Rarely see me bothered by it. Cause most of it simply isn’t true. Often the loudest truths have the loudest reactions. Best to just ignore them if they’re not true.
But these discussions aren’t PVP. Labelling everything as such is just a tactic to cause PVP tbh. As I said. Let it breathe. People’s intelligence will do the rest.
@0xBeMichael and @defido please move the conversation to private messages or create a thread on X. This chat is intended for discussions about the Neiro project, not personal disputes or accusations of gaslighting.
Yeah, please take a look at the latest post from S on x. Basically says just that.
I just tend to block the negativity. It’s the people who don’t want to do any research and blindly follow who suffer. I’d like to reiterate not once have I gone over to you guys and spread fud or negativity. It’s only been in response to someone who has willingly interacted with me.
Anyway, appreciate the decent conversation you and I are having.
We’d get a long just fine some day. Attack the problem not the human. 
I don’t know you. Nothing I said was baseless or FUD really. Just facts. Let’s get gg1nvestments, Andy Lian, and Justin sun in here and ask them some questions about how things went down. I was in the tg early and watching. And I saw the Chinese and Turkish investor groups early. You can deny it all you want but a few of them are now trying to PvP Moodeng in the same way they did Neiro. Your “cto” wasn’t the first or even the second NEIRO. But it was picked up by a few cabal members who PvP coins for a living. They won that time. They tried it with PNUT too and thankfully lost. But to think your coin is an organic cto requires willful suspension of disbelief. That said I don’t care which community gets it or if they keep it themselves. Makes no difference to me. Do I think the first to exist that has a real community SHOULD get it. Yeah if I’m being honest. Do I care either way? No. What I do care about is dishonest teams working with cabals and pretending to be CTOs which is what your Neiro is brother. The truth may hurt but it’s the truth nonetheless. Doesn’t mean you won’t get the ip but at least admit you exist only because some powerful people in crypto cornered supply and PvPd a coin with a big community that was already running. 
This reply ain’t it, brother. Defido and I were asked to stop interacting here.
Neither of those individuals are part of the cto “team” and again act on their own accord. People can buy, sell, and promote whatever projects they desire. It’s crypto.
Please don’t take your personal dislike toward individuals out on a project as a whole.
Neiro Eth “CTO” Disclaimer: No KOLS/TURKISH/CHINESE/WHALES/CABAL/BINANCE INSIDERS wErE UsEd. VeRy OrGaNic InSiDe JoB WoW!
No one asked me anything. My name is not DeFi do and I have no idea who he is. This is a public forum and I replied factually about what I saw happen with the NEIRO you’re calling a cto. I invested in none of them. I don’t care if OTD does something else with the IP. BUT if I had to choose between all of the neiro I’d choose the bropump team for the reasons stated. This will be my last reply to you if you have nothing else to say. If you reply to me again I will reply in kind on this public forum. Cheers
Oh wow. I know I said I’d keep that on X but I just realised whenever Justin has brought in a PVP situation he used the same line:
“Be careful what you wish for” and HTX to do it.
He did it to Eliza (which the OG luckily recovered but caused a HUGE PVP) and to $BAN (which was a sothebys insider token and destroyed the community run $BTW)
Yikes. 
Andy, gg1nvestments, and Justin sun were one small part of the cabal in “cabal take over”. They had the actual power. To claim the people doing raids were the “cto team” and that it was even a cto when they had Justin, Andy, and Cz involved is ludicrous. I followed this saga as it happened because it was so interesting and corrupt lol
I think the therapeutic applications are a wonderful idea! Given Kabosu’s background as a teacher and her wholesome, comforting vibes, creating something like LoFi style study music feels like a perfect fit. Think about how many students have the Lofi Girl playing in a tab while they study! A livestream with a simple animation of the Neiro dog playfully wandering around with some chill music would be fantastic. There’s so much potential to tie in that Doge energy while creating something functional and fun. This could totally become a go-to vibe for students or anyone who just needs a chill backdrop to stay in the zone!
Just to clarify, I’m sharing my own personal thoughts here and not representing an official account! I wanted to express my opinion about BROPUMP because I like Doge, but I’m not affiliated with any official team. Just a fellow Doge fan!
When I discovered Neiro Bropump 5 months ago, I just wanted to make money. But very quickly, I saw copies multiplying, indecent manipulation, and lies that seemed to dominate the narrative.
I was deeply disgusted to the core of my soul by such injustice, which was corrupting the meme world and being accepted with resignation by the entire market. Yes, it seemed normal to get rugged, to lose money, and to be the exit liquidity for the eternal insiders and scammers who always want to dominate the market for their sole profit without ever facing the consequences of their despicable actions.
Imagine a world where everything is allowed, where there is neither faith nor law—how could you be happy, positive, joyful, and create real value?
I was lost in an archaic and immoral space with a very low level of collective consciousness.
With Neirowoof, I witnessed the birth of a community in the strongest sense of the word. A community that positioned itself, from the very beginning, for GOOD. Without manipulation, making the bet on a truly organic construction, without artifice, without paying influencers (KOLs), without deceiving the world. It was the counter-power to evil. A very difficult choice because we had no help. I was stunned by the ignorance of the market, as if fear had taken hold of it.
I understood that fighting for the truth was revolutionary in a world where the temptation of ease and corruption reigned.
I decided, with an extremely powerful instinct for truth and justice, to support this mission for Neiro, for its narrative, for Kabosumama, and for the respect of all the men and women who built the most famous memecoin in history, DOGE.
I realized that my mission wasn’t about simply making a 2x or 3x return. It was about fighting for good with my friends who had chosen the same path. And very quickly, there was no price attached, because our mission became priceless. I never thought I could invest myself in a cause beyond financial gain, but this adventure revealed something new about me. Sometimes you think you are there just to make money, but life takes you down far more ambitious paths.
Month after month, I saw the community “spiritualize” in its quest. It became better, learning from one another, continuing to speak with conviction even with such a low market cap. This proved that money was not what drove us, but rather the pursuit of truth and honoring Kabosumama and the Doge community, because we carried the name Neiro. That made us responsible.
Education, patience, resilience, courage, faith, holding strong—but also jokes, joy, and fun—to continue in our mission. That’s all I’ve known in this community. It is the opposite of what people typically experience in meme projects: quick and easy gains at the expense of others, trading, paid influencers, pump-and-dump schemes, and no real conviction.
We worked blindly without recognition because we had the deep conviction that truth would prevail one day, and that this notion of official “recognition” would probably become the next inevitable and necessary trend to purge the meme market.
I pray with all my heart for that day to come!
We are still building ideas with my French community.
Thank you for your attention, and Merry Christmas to you all!
@ownthedoge @kabosumama
This answer almost made me cry 
It represents all I feel too and many of my friends that joined the fight, we are a Chilean community only 2-3 friends speaks English, but the rest keep showing up everyday in our little group chat that we made
When we all first started we all were in the same boat, we wanted to make quick money, but then it all transformed when we discovered what PvP and PvE (PPP) values and ethos were.
It was all we were looking for, a safe place to build meaningful connections with the plus of making some returns in the future.
Some people adviced me to buy all the pvp coins so if one wins I’ll win too, but my morals didn’t allowed me to do so, yeah I could of make a big profit, I saw them all in hour 0, but again I choose to stay with my principals and values.
No amount of money will ever change the way I see the world and I’m always been this way, I speak things how I see them. Never been fan of injustice and I always will stand with the underdog, because I was one, I was one of those bullied kids In school, but still choose to protect those who got bullied and never became a bully myself.
Anyways got a bit carried away by your passion and the similarities of people that aren’t even in the same continent.
Bropump family is amazing and I’m blessed to be part of it, can’t wait to see how it evolves over time!
We all deserve to win! Let’s keep doing good every day
Well, well, well… look at that. The BroPump community is at it again, STILL actively hating on NeiroCTO. What’s going on here? I thought BroPump was the innocent one — the best, the REAL community, the first, the fairest, the most fairly distributed, the most decentralized, the legacy, the ethos, the provenance. XDDDDDD
The loudest one in the room is usually the weakest.
Let’s call this what it is: their entire community thrives on hatred towards others. It’s clear from their constant participation in “memes” filled with animosity and jealousy. This is nothing new. From the beginning, their mission has been to tear down every other Neiro project. But recently, they’ve started to glaze OTD, all while desperately trying to secure the intellectual property (IP) for themselves.
Let’s be honest here: collaborating with them or giving them any IP rights would be a huge mistake. Why? Because they will only tarnish and destroy $DOG and OTD with their arrogance and toxic attitudes — this so-called “strong community” is anything but strong. They’ve been doing this for months now, showing no positivity, no real building, no meaningful contributions — just hate. There’s no future in associating with people like this.
For nearly four months, the BroPump community has been harassing other Neiro communities nonstop. They’re quick to target legitimate projects, but they won’t say a word against clear scams like Hawk Tuah’s rug pull or other obvious frauds in the space. Instead, they choose to trash communities that are actually building something meaningful that actually doing only good everyday.
NeiroCTO has been incredibly transparent. There’s NOTHING to hide — ZERO. Despite this, the BroPumps continue to dig up anything they can to spread FUD. First, they FUD Binance, claiming they own 70% of the project. Well, have you ever heard of a CEX hot wallet? Did you know that all their users’ wallets might be pooled under one umbrella? Then they move on to FUD NeiroCTO’s memes, Spotify songs, and charities. They trash exchanges like Kraken, Coinbase, Binance, OKX, ByBit. They trash NeiroCTO lead, S, community member & contributor Michael, calling them gay, choking on dildos etc. Vitalik buterin, Justin Sun and alot others. They even trash DWF, Wintermute, Gotbit. They even go after DEX volume, as if that should mean anything. They talk trash about Kabosumama aswell. The list goes on. Anything NeiroCTO does publicly on Twitter — whether it’s working on their own projects growth by promoting, collaborating, engouraging others to make charity or sharing facts — the BroPumps are always there with hate, FUD, and nonsense.
NeiroCTO has already addressed every one of these concerns hundreds of times to the BroPumps, but they still don’t get it. They don’t want solutions; they want to create toxic atmosphere 24/7 trying to convince others to join them.
The reality is that BroPump’s “community” — 98% of them don’t care about Neiro or anything related. There’s no provenance, no genuine interest. They are delusional. If Murad or OTD posts something important, they suddenly latch onto it and start talking about it 24/7. I call that “glazing.” They didn’t care about these topics when they first appeared, but now that they see an opportunity to ride the coattails, they’re all in. Their mentality is simple: “OMG, this is the next 100x.” It’s a classic case of jumping on a bandwagon without understanding or contributing to the actual work being done. That’s why they have no real growth.
Most of them abandoned the project early on. They participated in spreading hate towards every other Neiro project. They couldn’t stay because they realized this approach wasn’t sustainable. “Do Only Hate Everyday” (DoHE) seems to be their motto.
The few that stayed have only kept the hate alive. They never cared to build anything meaningful. They never had a vision. They just kept the toxicity going.
Now, suddenly, when the IP discussion comes up, they reach out to their buddies — the “jeets” who went “fishing” — telling them, “HEY, HEY, BUY BACK IN — WE’RE GOING TO 100X! WE’RE TAKING DOWN ALL THE OTHER NEIROS NOW, IT’S NOW OR NEVER! AND HEY, LET’S ASK CHATGPT A GAZILLION QUESTIONS TO FIGURE OUT HOW WE CAN IMPRESS OTD AND SPAM THEIR FORUMS WITH THAT.”
XDDDDDDDD
And also:
“HEY, HEY, BRO PUMPS, LET’S PRETEND WE’RE INNOCENT AND CARING PEOPLE. DON’T MAKE FUD AND HATRED IN FRONT OF OTD — THEY CAN’T KNOW OUR REAL INTENTIONS ARE NEGATIVE AND TOXIC.”
What happened next? One of their top members joined a space with OTD and immediately started FUDding NeiroCTO. OTD didn’t appreciate that and booted him from the space. The BroPumps got scared of “missing their chance” and quickly removed him from Telegram and Twitter. Why? Because he failed to follow their new strategy: pretend to be saints while desperately trying to secure the IP for themselves.
Truly disgusting behavior.
A perfect example of what to stay away from.
It’s likely the reason they have the least recognition among all the Neiro communities. People who once supported their project have since left — and when they did, BroPump threw mud at them too. One good example is a female on Twitter (I won’t go into details, but it’s something like “Princess”). Those who know, know. If BroPump loses the IP, they’ll probably throw mud at OTD as well.
It’s important to approach these discussions with clarity and respect. It’s clear that the claims made here are not only baseless but also misrepresent the truth about the BroPump community.
Let’s set the record straight by addressing these inaccuracies and reinforcing why speaking the truth is not toxic, but necessary for accountability and growth.
“BroPump thrives on hate”
This accusation is unfounded. BroPump has consistently highlighted concerns backed by facts, not animosity. Calling out discrepancies or sharing critical insights isn’t “hate” — it’s accountability. If NeiroCTO has nothing to hide, as claimed, transparency should welcome such scrutiny.
“FUD about Binance and exchanges”
BroPump never spread misinformation about Binance. The community pointed out publicly
verifiable facts regarding wallet distributions, supply control and raised valid questions about centralization risks. Asking for clarity is not spreading FUD; it’s ensuring that investors make informed decisions.
“No positivity or meaningful contributions”
This is simply untrue. BroPump has been a key player in promoting community engagement, uncovering bundle or controlled supplies, and emphasizing the need for better governance. Highlighting areas for improvement isn’t negative; it’s essential for growth.
“Toxic atmosphere 24/7”
Speaking the truth isn’t toxic. Pretending problems don’t exist while painting a rosy picture is far more harmful in the long run. BroPump’s transparency about issues has helped steer conversations toward solutions, not division.
“Trying to secure IP for themselves”
OTD has only ever advocated for fair and open access to IP. Suggesting otherwise without proof is baseless. The focus has always been on ensuring that Neiro’s projects remain decentralized and accessible, as originally intended.
“Princess abandoned the project”
This is entirely false. Princess, a member of the BroPump community, still holds her position and actively supports the project, thus directly contradicting your claim. This kind of misinformation undermines credibility and highlights the importance of verifying facts before making accusations.
“Speaker at OTD FUDding NeiroCTO”
The individual who spoke negatively at the OTD event is a known figure who has had disputes with the community at the early days of the project. This wasn’t their first instance of stirring controversy. Attempting to link this person’s actions to the broader BroPump community is misleading and dishonest. Their behavior was their own, not representative of BroPump’s values or intentions.
Facts Over Fear
BroPump has never been about tearing others down; it’s about holding everyone accountable — NeiroCTO included. Constructive criticism is a sign of a healthy ecosystem. The loudest voice may not always be the weakest, but the baseless voice is often the least credible.
The truth isn’t toxic; it’s necessary. Instead of sowing division, let’s focus on fact-based discussions and collective progress. The Neiro ecosystem deserves nothing less.
These are my own opinions, based on observations and facts within the community.
Truth Requires Proof, Not Empty Words
If you want to claim you’re speaking the truth, back it with hard evidence. Otherwise, you’re not just misinformed — you’re willfully misleading. Hiding behind baseless claims and labeling them as “truth” is not only dishonest; it’s shameful.
Your Actions Speak Louder Than Any Excuse
You’ve made a habit of throwing around accusations without proof, all while demanding accountability from others. This toxic pattern speaks volumes about your intentions. Let me be clear: no amount of justification can erase your repeated, unfounded attacks.
NeiroCTO’s Transparency Is Clear — Yours Isn’t
NeiroCTO has addressed your concerns countless times with clarity and openness. Yet here you are, recycling the same tired points as if repetition makes them true. It doesn’t. If you can’t accept facts, that’s your issue, not theirs.
Repetition of Lies Is Not Progress
Let’s be honest — you’ve been rehashing the same baseless narratives for months. What have you achieved? Nothing. No progress, no solutions, no contribution to the community. What’s your endgame? Or is tearing others down all you’re capable of?
Your Binance Claims Are Misleading
Let’s address your favorite talking point: Binance. Your claim that Binance controls 70% of the supply is laughable. Yes, 50-70% of the supply may be held there, but it’s distributed across thousands of individual users. Pretending otherwise reveals either your ignorance or your intent to deceive. Which is it?
Misinformation Is Not Community Leadership
You’ve weaponized the community by encouraging spamming of old, resolved issues while masking it as “truth-seeking.” This isn’t leadership — it’s sabotage. NeiroCTO’s transparency, including pre-Binance supply data, proves your bundled supply claims false. Facts don’t care about your narrative.
Fix Your Own Failures Before Attacking Others
Your criticisms come across as projection — a reflection of the chaos in your own projects. Before pointing fingers, maybe focus on cleaning up your own house. Criticism holds weight only when rooted in facts, not frustration from your own shortcomings.
Your Hypocrisy Is Showing
You claim to stand for fairness and transparency, yet your actions betray that façade. You twist narratives and change your stance to suit your agenda, exposing your real goal: stirring division rather than fostering progress.
Accountability Requires Evidence, Not Empty Accusations
You provide no proof to back your wild claims. A few wealthy individuals investing in NeiroCTO isn’t a conspiracy — it’s a testament to their confidence in the project. Your fixation on baseless accusations only highlights your inability to accept reality.
Criticism Without Solutions Is Just Noise
Months of complaining and pointing fingers haven’t led to a single meaningful outcome. You’re not contributing to solutions; you’re perpetuating division. If your goal is to improve the ecosystem, this isn’t the way.
Final Word: Enough Is Enough
NeiroCTO and its supporters will continue driving progress, while you remain stuck in the same cycle of negativity and empty accusations. It’s time to move on or step up. Either bring facts to the table and contribute constructively, or stop wasting everyone’s time. The choice is yours.
I’m gonna answer here quickly so we can finish this reoccurring unproductive talking point.
I summed up the main concerns here already and they have not been addressed properly (e.g. transfers over 100 M dollars in tokens, paid KOLs, Bubblemaps):
This answers the rest of your post. We want to move freely, that’s our right. And we are fighting for that, because we have to.
Thank you
You’re looking at facts above. It is quite literally a screenshot of Justin Sun himself creating not 1 but 3 PVPs using tokens that were against community versions. He listed always the one going against the community.
For that the bropump community receives 2 ChatGPT responses outlining why bropump is “toxic” and not an answer to the evidence?
You have to understand. DOGE was labelled toxic often. Generally because it stood for something. I don’t personally ever think DOGE was though.
